SPN 10 countdown challenge | day 16 - episode 8
↳ 5x08 - changing channels
This theme song is one of my alarms^.^
crowley in every episode [19/34]: 8x10, torn and frayed
what our feathered friend was uttering essentially was, “you, celestial being, have been created to be an angel of the lord.” you’ve got into his operating system – his factory settings
Misha: -posts 8 second video-
I don’t understand why Death gets lumped in with Supernatural villains. He’s the essence of neutrality. He doesn’t side with heaven or hell. His purpose is to get souls where they belong so they don’t become vengeful spirits.
The only time he actively killed people was during the apocalypse and that’s because Lucifer had him bound. The other horsemen enjoyed wreaking havoc but Death had to be forced to do it. Isn’t that a clear indication that he’s not evil
Death is purely neutral
Crowley is on the side that fits his goals best
and Gadreel fixing his mistakes
I feel like the only real villains on this show are Metatron, Azazel, and John Winchester
I agree with all of that except the Crowley part. The only time he wasn’t working for hell was season 5 when he was trying to save his ass because he knew Lucifer would kill all of the demons. He was never on the Winchester’s side but he knew he had to do things for them in order to manipulate them into doing what he wanted
I love Crowley but he’s never been a good guy or even a neutral character. I don’t feel like he’s ever taken sides because you can’t really say that you’re on the side of good if you’re just manipulating the good characters to serve your evil goals.
He’s helped the Winchesters on multiple occasions, just not directly
he has but it’s always been to serve his own purposes. I can’t think of one occasion when he helped them selflessly, but please correct me if I’m forgetting something
Crowley is one of my favorite characters and I hope he’s on this show for a long time but I see him as the villain he is. I don’t see that as a bad thing, this show needs villains
I’d say Crowley is closer to the villain side, but still also close to the neutral side. Azazel, Lilith, Metatron, John Winchester, and Lucifer were the villains. Not Death. Not Crowley or Meg.
I can’t understand the idea that Crowley’s neutral because every move he’s ever made has been to serve his evil agenda. He helped the Winchesters get Lucifer only to save his own life and allow him to take over hell. He helped Cas find purgatory only to keep Raphael from letting Lucifer out of the cage and so he could get half the souls and become more powerful. He helped Dean find the first blade only so Dean could take out the demon trying to take over hell. Plus he was secretly hoping the blade would demonize Dean because he believed he could get demon!Dean to do his bidding
Like I said, if I’m forgetting something selfless or truly neutral that Crowley’s done please let me know. But I can’t think of anything he did without an evil plan behind it. Doesn’t mean we can’t love him for the evil little guy he is
okay, that is actually a really good point. but don’t forget Crowley letting Bobby have his legs back. there’s probably a couple more circumstances where he was neutral/good that I’m also forgetting
I just answered this in another reply to this post so sorry to people seeing this twice
He gave Bobby his legs back for 2 selfish reasons that served his evil agenda
- he knew that if Bobby was able to fight there was a better chance of Lucifer being defeated, which meant Crowley would live and be able to take over hell
- he was planning to hold Bobby’s contract over his head just like he’d done with Bela. The reason Crowley had the colt in the first place is because he told Bela if she brought it to him he’d let her out of his contract. She delivered but he didn’t honor his word and let her go to hell. He was planning on using Bobby in the same way and knew he’d get a lot more use out of a man who can fight and climb in windows to steal powerful objects
I’ve been wracking my brain and the only instance I can think of where Crowley did something neutral was keeping his son in present times so that he wouldn’t die on that ship. And I count that as neutral, not good, because the major motive behind him doing that was the human blood making him feel guilty for what a terrible father he’d been. He did it to assuage is own guilt and if it hadn’t been for the human emotions he wouldn’t have done it all. But I do see that as a neutral act so I concede he’s done one thing without a purely evil motive behind it
oh, okay. yes, good points. I think I’m starting to get it. Crowley’s a dick, but he’s a cool dick
exactly. The brilliance of the character is that the audience loves him in spite of him being evil.
Normally you get fans on the side of a bad guy by making him sympathetic through a tragic back story. Even Hannibal Lecter has a back story that makes the audience some-what sympathize with his desire to eat people. Crowley doesn’t. He was an abusive father that sold his soul for a bigger penis.
Another way to get fans to a love a villain is to have the bad guy do the occasional self-less act to aid the heroes. Every time it seemed like Crowley was being selfless it turned out the “selfless” thing was actually part of a plan to screw over the heroes or save his own ass
They got us to love Crowley through his charm alone. This is one of the ways Supernatural is a unique show and shows how talented the writers can be. He’s one of the only examples of a truly evil character that people can’t help but love, and I think that’s amazing